KCRW's Left Right & Center 8/1/08 Summary

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Hello. I was just wondering if anyone knows what john McCain's platform is?
I know that he is very much against Barack Obama, but, as of yet, I have no idea what it is that he is for.

An open letter to KCRW and the Left, Right

An open letter to KCRW and the Left, Right & Center staff.


Dear LRC:


Matt Miller said the following in his closing remark on Aug. 1st, 2008:


"Just to plant a final seed on this sovereignty question that's going to become so big not just in this campaign but in the years ahead. There is a real divergence of interests now between a company's interests and a country's interests. And U.S. policy has always assumed that U.S. multi-nationals would always have the same interests as the United States. No longer true."


Offering this type comment out there at the end of the show, with little hope that it will be discussed in a future episode, is incredibly frustrating and indicative of the manner in which LRC has degraded in quality in the last eight years.


It used to be that LRC could be trusted to cover policy and process issues as much as the weeks politics with a little smattering of gossip. It sad to say that with the protracted primary season, LRC has been consumed with every tit-for-tat of campaign gossip, polls and other hogwash. Sure it impacts the elections in an echo chamber sense, but its irrelevant to the daily lives of listeners—those citizens we all hope are informed when they go to the polls.


I'm a faithful weekly listener of LRC and several other KCRW programs. It makes me both sad and spitting mad to watch the co-hosts of LRC, week in and week out, rehash the tripe of the mainstream media. Gone are the days that Mr. Miller contributed ideas like those in his book "The Radical Center" and gone are the days that LRC discussed issues within the states with any frequency.


And then there are the huge issues that fall within the national political conversation that LRC has barely or never discussed. For example, the contempt of Congress verdict by Judge Bates, a Bush appointee, related to Miers, Bolton and Rove. Or the "not-an-impeachment" impeachment hearing.


Then there is the failure of the Speaker of the House to improve the approval rating of Congress by yielding to the conservative positions of Blue Dog Democrats, striving to win elections and build a majority for 2012 when she plans on getting some real work done. Citizens are demanding more progressive policy reform and we have a Do-Nothing Congress to deal with.


How about the launch of the bi-partisan movement called Change Congress seeking to mobilize a number of other movements to cooperatively reform the improper dependence of Congress.


I hope that there is some room between the polling figures, attack ads and pimping books and websites to talk about something beyond candidates. Its great that you mention the average working American who is suffering in this economy, but you rarely pursue the issues that effect them instead focusing on the personalities and gossip that side-step them to do campaign fundraising.


So sure, Mr. Miller, the divergence of corporate and policy interests is increasing. I would love to hear you give it more than 15-seconds.

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The McCain campaign should have used Ricky Martin instead of Britney Spears.
Why does Matt always seem so desperate for Tony's approval?
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A couple of things that had me yelling at the speakers this week:

I wish someone, in the overheated discussion of McCain’s “celebrity” ad, would mention in passing that while Paris Hilton may be merely famous for being famous, Britney Spears earned her fame. I was never a fan, but I saw the clip of her on “Star Search”; this girl worked her tush off since her age was in single digits, and for a long time after put on a very high-energy, physically-demanding show in front of her fans. Like many another before her, she seems to have crumbled under all that attention and the incredible pressure to go on providing her public with something new and better. Let’s give a little credit where it’s due.

Second: about our balance of payments. If the falling dollar and the money we export purely for oil are taken out of the equation, our BoP doesn’t look bad at all by any standards; we are still the biggest exporting country in the world.

Arianna, the government didn’t SAVE Bear Stearns. The wrongdoers at BS lost a lot of money. Who was protected, to some extent, were the people who owned BS stock, many of whom were BS employees who had taken all their bonuses in stock. It’s complicated, I know, but this should have at least be mentioned.

Lastly, and I know this is going to sound like I’ve been reading too many political thrillers (actually, I never read them), but I hope someone will suggest an investigation into The Anthrax Man’s SUPPOSED suicide. There is just too much likelihood that he might know things the Bush administration wouldn’t want coming out in a trial. There, I said it, call me paranoid.

When Senator Obama refers to his own race and the fact that he looks different from previous presidents, it is not "playing the race card." He's stating the obvious, and quite on target as to how Republicans have been attacking him. What else was all that talk about last week, as if somehow drawing huge crowds and giving press conferences with foreign leaders could possibly look "too Presidential." Would anyone say that about Senator McCain in the same circumstances or any other white politician? Not in a million years. It's code for "uppity" and not knowing "his place."

But the Obama campaign shouldn't get too upset about McCain's "Celebrity" ad. Let them play it all they want, let them pay to have the nation see hundreds of thousands of people cheering Obama. Michael Deaver long ago understood that it's the pictures people remember. If the visuals were right, it didn't matter what tough words reporters might have to say about President Reagan. Michael Deaver, Reagan's master of spin and image control, knew the truth in the old saying: one picture is worth a thousand words.
Agreed: Why does Matt seem to seek Tony's approval?

I think the real difference I hear on the show is that Matt seems to parrot whatever the media line of the day is ( like "Is Obama arrogant?" whatever..."); Tony still seems to be a political operative and repeats republican attacks like they're facts ("Well Obama is arrogant..."); and Bob is the only one who seems to want to bring up facts and historical context... and he seems to be the only one in the media who does (and that makes him seem weird).

Arianna? Love her, but she's barely on anymore... and I wish the Huffington Post wasn't so much gossip and non-news.
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I'm often entertained by LRC, usually educated, sometimes inspired or agitated. This is the first time though that I've been genuinely offended by the remarks of more than one of the commentators within the space of a few minutes.

Ariana Huffington and others freely linked very different things in supporting a pernicious and destructive notion that people with mental illness are the stuff of terrorism. Using 'crazies' in the first place to refer to people like Ivins who suffer with depression is offensive enough. But to use 'crazies' interchangeably with 'terrorists' is downright irresponsible. I'm not sure which of the commentators began to ring this association bell but I heard it sounded over and over again.

People with depression or ongoing symptoms of mental illnesses are stigmatized, excluded and shamed in our society already-- associated with more or less every evil in the world, despite the fact that more than 20% of the population is afflicted with mental illness at some time in their lives. To draw a line though between mental illness and terrorism is the worst combination of inaccurate and dangerous.

Some terrorists have had mental illnesses, just as some presidents and inventors and authors have, and just as have some of your friends and family. To link these two together in one breath supports stigma that destroys people's lives and sense of self, including leads people to die by suicide.

(As a side note this tactic of linking two distinct ideas that have no proven relationship was one employed by our administration to the ends of a specific agenda-- when Iraq and Al Qaeda were used in the same breath in the build-up to the Iraq invasion, despite the fact that intelligence at that time could find no evidence whatsoever of a functional connection.)

As a person who has had symptoms of mental illness over many years, and been diagnosed with one type, and who still leads a normal productive life, I am especially sensitive to these issues. I do not practice thought policing or piecemeal censorship on the issue, however, on anything like a ongoing basis and rarely comment on the media.

But social injustice in the form of unmitigated bias is something we should not tolerate in our public media. Prejudice is prejudice and people with mental illnesses are no exception to our social condemnation of it. For some reason , though, there remains the idea that we do not merit respect in civic discourse and can be called 'crazies' in the same way African-Americans were freely called "N-" words I cannot even put in print today.

Public commentators on public radio, regardless of their personal attitudes, need to be more responsible than joe-on-the-street. What they say is heard by many and has the power to create or strengthen offensive and inaccurate concepts that can only serve destruction in the personal lives of people and their families. I hope that KCRW and NPR will encourage their speakers to speak thoughtfully about individuals and avoid using any group of people as scapegoats, regardless of how convenient it may be.
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I think all the hosts completly missed the real point of the Bruce Ivins suicide.

Care to expand on that?
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The Left, Right and Center Drinking Game by Jason Bahr

Drink (beer, etc.):

If Arianna says ‘Clean-ton’

When Matt says ‘Up ahead…’

When Matt says ‘We have reached that time…’

When Matt says ‘That’s all the ___ we have time for’

If Bob reminds people of the cost of the Iraq war

If anyone mentions WMD

If Matt cuts off Bob by saying ‘Bob…Bob…Bob…’

If Matt mentions his time in the ‘Clean-ton’ White House, or otherwise defends the Clintons

If Matt uses his rant to advocate for Hillary ‘Clean-ton’ campaign/policies

Shot:

If Arianna Huffington is Away

If Tony Blankly says ‘yeear(s)’ or ‘ithue(s)’

If Bob reminds the others that he was the only one against the Iraq war from the beginning

If Bob takes a joke by Matt and gets angry about it

If Bob and Tony agree on anything

If any host mentions their own book/blog/website

If ‘rant’ time is 15 seconds or less

Most interesting thing in the Aug 1 Anthrax...Globalization program was a comment Matt made about our failure in the US to provide health security and pension security not tied to your job.

If health care (and/or pension security) is to be universal, it cannot be tied to one's job; because not everybody has a job. Seems pretty simple, but you don't hear it said much if at all in the media. Kudos to Matt for raising that concern.

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I'm often entertained by LRC, usually educated, sometimes inspired or agitated. This is the first time though that I've been genuinely offended by the remarks of more than one of the commentators within the space of a few minutes.

Ariana Huffington and others freely linked very different things in supporting a pernicious and destructive notion that people with mental illness are the stuff of terrorism. Using 'crazies' in the first place to refer to people like Ivins who suffer with depression is offensive enough. But to use 'crazies' interchangeably with 'terrorists' is downright irresponsible. I'm not sure which of the commentators began to ring this association bell but I heard it sounded over and over again.

People with depression or ongoing symptoms of mental illnesses are stigmatized, excluded and shamed in our society already-- associated with more or less every evil in the world, despite the fact that more than 20% of the population is afflicted with mental illness at some time in their lives. To draw a line though between mental illness and terrorism is the worst combination of inaccurate and dangerous.

Some terrorists have had mental illnesses, just as some presidents and inventors and authors have, and just as have some of your friends and family. To link these two together in one breath supports stigma that destroys people's lives and sense of self, including leads people to die by suicide.

(As a side note this tactic of linking two distinct ideas that have no proven relationship was one employed by our administration to the ends of a specific agenda-- when Iraq and Al Qaeda were used in the same breath in the build-up to the Iraq invasion, despite the fact that intelligence at that time could find no evidence whatsoever of a functional connection.)

As a person who has had symptoms of mental illness over many years, and been diagnosed with one type, and who still leads a normal productive life, I am especially sensitive to these issues. I do not practice thought policing or piecemeal censorship on the issue, however, on anything like a ongoing basis and rarely comment on the media.

But social injustice in the form of unmitigated bias is something we should not tolerate in our public media. Prejudice is prejudice and people with mental illnesses are no exception to our social condemnation of it. For some reason , though, there remains the idea that we do not merit respect in civic discourse and can be called 'crazies' in the same way African-Americans were freely called "N-" words I cannot even put in print today.

Public commentators on public radio, regardless of their personal attitudes, need to be more responsible than joe-on-the-street. What they say is heard by many and has the power to create or strengthen offensive and inaccurate concepts that can only serve destruction in the personal lives of people and their families. I hope that KCRW and NPR will encourage their speakers to speak thoughtfully about individuals and avoid using any group of people as scapegoats, regardless of how convenient it may be.


I couldn't help but laugh when Robert Sheer mentioned that he remembered how gloomy everyone felt during the Great Depression. From listening to the show Sheer has mentioned his age which puts his birth at 1936ish which means he was born several years after it started and a couple of years after the economy was starting to recover and the depression was fully over by 1939.

My 8 year old can't remember anything he did when he was 3 and at 71ish, I doubt someone would have much memory of their fist 3-4 years.

I CALL BS ON MR. SHEER!


I will paraphrase an earlier post that I have yet to read in its entirety.
I believe that Mr. Sheer's example of "Boy Scouts" as an example of who authorities should watch if they are interested in finding terrorists was unnecessary. He constructed a "two fer" at the expense of two brands which exemplify American ideals. One, a youth organization which honors reverence to God and love of country. Second, the American law enforcement community, the best in the world. I revealed to me what is beneath that whining facade, hate toward any participating American, without limit to age or innocence.
While I generally consider myself to lean toward the liberal side of moderate, I have been increasingly annoyed with Mr. Scheer these past several weeks.
Well, that's odd. The rest of my message seems to have been truncated. Second try:

While I generally consider myself to lean toward the liberal side of moderate, I have been increasingly annoyed with Mr. Scheer these past several weeks. Part of it is that he seems incapable of staying on topic--e.g. turning a response to a question about high energy prices into yet another diatribe about the war in Iraq--but mostly I find myself disagreeing with him more often than not. There are two issues in particular on which I find his position particularly vexing (I also disagree with Mr. Scheer on free trade, but on that issue I do understand the opposing arguments).

So, Mr. Scheer,

Why aren't you for higher energy prices? Higher prices, particularly on gasline, are the best way to reduce consumption and pollution, encourage public transit, re-energize cities and small towns at the expense of exurban sprawl, bring back local industry and farming, etc. Aren't those all goals on the liberal agenda? Then why are you going out of your way to condemn high gas prices?

Also, are home foreclosures really as bad as you insist? Are the victims really losing their life savings? Other than the down-payment, which some borrowers avoided altogether, are mortgage payments that different from rent? It's the lenders who are losing their shirts on this (and then the taxpayers who are cleaning up after them), not the borrowers. Besides, when the housing bubble has finished deflating, the working class may once again be able to afford to own their own homes without resorting to risky mortgages.

First of all thanks so much for opening up the blog.

The campaign against Obama has been a continuing series of information episodes about race, reminding whites that Obama is of African descent and is therefor unaceptably black, black, black. First Jeremiah Wright, then his wife Michelle, then Jesse Jackson, then the New Yorker cover, now accusing him of playing the "race card" that only he can play because he is black, black, black. We can expect this Chinese water torture of blackness reminders to remain near the top of campaign consciousness for the rest of campaign,

Perhaps LRC can insted ask the questions that are left hanging in the program. Are we going to make health care and pension security available to all and unconnected to a job? Is what is good for corporations that may be managed by Americans, employ some Americans, or advertise to Americans or sell to Americans necessarily good for America? (General Motors anyone?)

And to P Sullivan, why should working Americans have to lose their homes in droves so that maybe working class Americans can afford to start buying them again? And how much of their home equity was converted into fees by mortgage lenders, brokers and Wall Street securitizers?

To Mark L: please try posting again. There's some kind of glitch in Vox that happens to everyone who tries to post for the first time.
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Folks at LRC, Thanks so much for putting on a informative, free, and very worthwhile show. II have been listening to almost all of them for over 4 years.

'm guessing you envisioned this blog not to be so much of a location for critique about the show as a service to the public so that they and you could discuss further things like the issues raised in the show? Hopefully your not regretting your decisions now ;-)

Anycase, I applaud and thank all of you that take part in the show for continuing to do something which more likely than not does not return in kind in notariety or pay for the time it takes. Personally, I appreciate many things about each of the participants perspectives. I tend to agree more often than not with Robert and see media time as a precious resource that would ideally best be used talking about the most significant issues of the day that affect peoples lives. This being said, there is something to learn from most of the things discussed and it is never (for me or I woudl guess most americans) a waste of time by any means to listen to the show. As an example, by going into the gossip... it perhaps illustrates the level on which politicians work which is something that would be instructive for many Americans to learn about. For a thinking person as opposed to an information consumer, there is something important to learn on every show. I wish the show was an hour actually so that it would be possible to more fully cover significant issues.

I would love to hear more about one of the proposed topics which is how big business and national interest align or dont.

On the one hand I see the benefit of protecting the american worker by giving big business some assistance in, and out of the US. At the same time I agree with many of the types of things people like Chomsky talk about such as the "nanny state" idea that rarely seems to get discussed on mainstream media. A more generic version of it which gets discussed occasionally on this show is how big businesses and fat cats consistently walk away from ripping off the tax payers, expect bailouts for bad management, or flat out defraud the shareholders, all the while pretty much never getting any fines or jail, or at worst, getting a minor incarcaration which would be considered victory in the courtroom for a small time crook.

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To whom it may concern

Why does it take 3 lefties to debate one conservative.Robert Scheer is a certified Bolshevick,so much so that even

Dear LRC folks:

I was deeply disappointed in your latest episode- primarily for the uniform laziness and incuriosity that each of you demonstrated while discussing recent developments in the Anthrax probe. Parroting the tabloidesque conclusions of in the mainstream news, you managed to treat a deeply disturbing subject with a glibness that is beneath you.

I would beg each of you to trouble yourselves for five minutes- to familiarize yourselves with some of the vexing contradictions of the Anthrax story that have been explored by Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com.


His article, "Vital unresolved anthrax questions and ABC News" asks questions that sensible journalists SHOULD be asking. Do any of you folks remember how ABC News "broke" the story that the Anthrax used in the attack contained "bentonite"- which was (supposedly) a tell-tale sign that it had come from Iraq? It turns out that the bentonite element was completely false- and yet, for a time, it was used to connect the Anthrax not to its true source (an American Bio-weapons laboratory) but instead to Iraq. Greenwald asks ABC to name the FOUR ANONYMOUS BUT "WELL-PLACED" SOURCES which had independently suggested a bentonite (and therefore Iraqi) connection for the Anthrax.

These four anonymous sources fed false information to the media- to create a perceived potential link to Saddam Hussein in October of 2001. We know now- and ABC has admitted- that the bentonite story was a LIE. A LIE that helped deceive the public into going to war with Iraq. So who were these four sources who lied about an Iraq connection?

Flash-forward to 2008. The public is having their attention focused on Dr. Bruce Ivins- the FBI's THIRD candidate for the Anthrax attacks. Most people are aware that Steven Hatfill was- for a time- presented to us by the mainstream media as a disgruntled megalomaniac psychopath who attacked America with anthrax so that the country would take more seriously a bio-weapons defense program. And yet- as it turns out- Dr. Hatfill was completely vindicated and his attackers (including many in the FBI, at the NY Times, and elsewhere) were proven fools and liars. The Dept. of Justice settled his lawsuit to the tune of over $5 million dollars.

Prior to the Hatfill case, there was ANOTHER candidate for Anthrax attacker. Dr. Ayaad Assaad- the Egyptian-born former biowarfare researcher at the USAMRIID biowarfare lab in Ft. Detrick- had been named in an anonymous letter as "a potential biological terrorist" who "...had a vendetta against the U.S. government".

"Ft. Detrick's anthrax mystery"

This letter was received by the FBI JUST AS THE ANTHRAX LETTERS STARTED TO ARRIVE IN MAILBOXES. As you will remember, those letters were written in a childish scrawl, misspelling words like Penicillin while claiming "We have anthrax. You die now. Are you afraid? Death to America. Death to Israel. Allah is great." Whoever wrote those letters clearly WANTED Americans to believe they were being sent by a radical Islamic terrorist... (Perhaps one who worked with Anthrax at the foremost bioweapons laboratory in the world?)

Yet the FBI quickly determined that Assaad could not possibly be the Anthrax killer. They discovered quickly that Assaad had previously been harassed by racist scientists and lab techs at USAMRIID- two of whom would be fired for their ongoing racial harassment campaigns against Assaad.

Yet the question remains- who sent the FBI the anonymous tip-off about Assaad? A tip-off written and mailed right BEFORE the Anthrax attacks become known? Who had the motive to frame Arab-extremists?

Flash-forward to 2008. We are now asked to believe that this mild-mannered, award-winning scientist- deeply respected and admired seemingly by all of his coworkers and his neighbors- is the man responsible for the Anthrax mailings, simply because his subliterate social-worker counselor- who has a proven history of DUI and other legal problems and can't even spell "therapist" (even though she supposedly is one!)- has identified him as a "sociopathic revenge killer" (despite the fact that he has no criminal past whatsoever, and by all accounts was a model citizen)? We are told by this uncredible source that he had a long history of threatening people he didn't like- that he walked around town looking for people to poison AND/OR knife to death- and yet he was able to be employed at one of the world's top bio-weapons laboratories? Utterly and completely ridiculous- and yet, given your demonstrated face-value acceptance of these "facts" of the case on your latest episode, you have swallowed the whole bag of it. Unanimously!

There is so much to this story that stinks. So much to this story that begs to be explored in ugly detail. So much to this story that demonstrates miscarriages of justice. So much to this story that demonstrates Orwellian propaganda at work. So much to this story that demands to be more deeply explored, regardless of what ugly truths it might one day reveal.

I don't expect Left, Right and Center to do the in-depth reporting on this story. Obviously, your format doesn't allow for it. But for God's sake, do NOT rely upon the shallow, tabloidesque scat that the mainstream media is selling. Be the provocative yet civilized debate you claim to be- and treat this story with the seriousness and skepticism that it bloody well has earned. Your listeners deserve better.

Thanks for listening.

A disappointed podcast subscriber.


p.s. - I recently re-listened to your archived episode from 2002 called "September 11 and Iraq". It was recorded as the first anniversary of the attacks approached. David Frum was the week's conservative. While he pounded the war drums for a conflict with Iraq (and perhaps later Iran), and while he attempted to connect Saddam Hussein to Al-Qaeda and bioweapons- Huffington and Scheer admirably fought back. Frum invoked the spectre of a Fascism which had swept over the whole of the Middle East, the rest of you rejected his simple-minded demonizations. While he told us all that Bush was soon to present the irrefutable case against Iraq to the world- there was genuine, lively debate. In hindsight, Frum looks like a fool and perhaps even a liar- though at the time the majority of Americans- still traumatized by the 9/11 attacks and the Anthrax attacks- probably agreed more with him than with the leftists and progressives. And Huff, Scheer and Miller are elevated because of the caution and skepticism you each expressed.

Perhaps 7 years from now, a great deal more will be known about the Anthrax case. Perhaps it will be proven- as many peers of Dr. Ivins have suggested- that he was a sensitive man driven to suicide by the constant harassments of our FBI. Or maybe we might find that his suicide itself is suspicious (as Dr. David Kelly's in hindsight appears to be...) Who knows what might come out- given how much this story has evolved over the years? If such a time does come- I hope you all will revisit this episode and reconsider whether you gave the story the hearing it deserved.
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This is an NPR program so they play to their demographic which tends to be more liberal. My view is this:

Scheer: Way out to the left where the buses don't run much. He tends to hurl insults and must say something about "military industrial complex" every show. He's one of those "screaming talking heads" we came here to avoid. He's the type of liberal who rather than thinking the conservitives are wrong, thinks they are bad. I don't think he ever misses a show.

Miller: He worked for Clinton and tends to be moderate left but I give him credit for being fair. If LRC wanted to show some real balance they would have somone from the moderate Right host when Miller is away rather than getting Larry O'Donnell.

Huffington: It seems she used to be more to the right but 10 years ago she defected to the left and pretty much is down the line liberal most of the time but nowhere near as out there as Scheer. She is out a lot and never has a replacement which is another missed oportunity. LRC should have somone from the "Independent Conservitave Blogosphere" sit in for her when she is out to give another perspective.

Blankley: Solid Reagon Conservitive and very witty. It's too bad he is outnumbered 3-1 on most issues. When he is out they have some interesting replacements with the most memorable being Amity Shlaes.

LRC is a great show even with the 3-1 left vs. Right odds. As mentioned above, the thing I would suggest to improve the show would be to let more conservitives on when Miller or Huffington where away.
And to P Sullivan, why should working Americans have to lose their homes in droves so that maybe working class Americans can afford to start buying them again? And how much of their home equity was converted into fees by mortgage lenders, brokers and Wall Street securitizers?

StanH,

My point is that since many of the foreclosed-upon borrowers never actually owned much equity in their homes, the situation is less akin to losing their homes and more akin having to move out because they can't afford to pay the rent. It is still painful, yes, but that house did not represent their life-savings; rather, it represented a hefty fraction of their life-debt.
Besides, uninflated housing prices are a good thing. (On that note, why is the press persisting in calling high gas and food prices paired with lower housing prices a triple threat? Don't lower housing costs offset some of the higher costs of other essentials, namely food and energy?)

The bankers and securitizers making bank off of hokey mortgages does get my dander up, but I am generally disappointed with the fraction of the population that makes money off the buying and selling of others anyway. Unless someone can figure out how to take back their Christmas bonuses, what's done is done. Congress should use this opportunity to get some regulation around these financial schemes--make it less profitable going forward.
The free-trade and Obama-as-internationalist questions overlap. Tony is right to ask whether the social contract transcends borders. But Tony wants it both ways. If we take down the walls for trade, which Tony likes, we cannot hide behind them to avoid our obligations. As an internationalist, Obama recognizes this.

To Matt's interesting question about the divergence of corporate and national interests, keep in mind that a lot of American companies are now foreign-owned. (InBev, this Bud's for you.)

No one played the race card first. It was dealt long ago, face up on the table, like the "river" in Texas hold 'em. The measure of each campaign is how they react to it. McCain's whining is a pretty clear tell that he doesn't have anything in the hole.

Regarding the anthrax investigation, Dannewit's link (above) lays out an intriguing mystery, although not really grist for the LRC opinion mill. You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to see the investigation is far from over.

Finally, Bob, don't change your curmudgeonly ways. As the bumper sticker reminds us, if you aren't outraged, you're not paying attention.
And may I say, once again, how impressive you all are? These are seriously smart comments about issues -- and even the critiques are well argued. Please keep sharing your thoughts and ideas with us; I love having an actively engaged community of listeners and thinkers involved with this program.

THANK you!!!
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I wanted to comment briefly on Tony's comment regarding Obama's 'internationalism' and indicating that it could have a potentially negative impact if Obama were to place

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I wanted to comment briefly on Tony's comment regarding Obama's 'internationalism' and indicating that it could have a potentially negative impact if Obama were to place international interests ahead of American interests. Tony's comment shrewdly notes that the primary duty of an American President (or any American elected or appointed official) is to serve the interests of their country, and the secondary interests should be addressing the rest of the world's interests.

On it's surface, this a purely rational and defensible argument. Without question, I believe that a president's primary responsibility is to serve the interests of his constituency. Since the whole world does not have franchise in helping choose the next American president, then the president represents first and foremost, the American people.

However, the argument is complicated in an increasingly globalized world, where events abroad may have direct or indirect effects in the United States. Economies are too intertwined; environment's are too intertwined; resources are too intertined to allow any future American leader not to think internationally regarding the immediate and potential impacts of domestic and foreign policy decisions. Consequently, we need an internationalist that is willing to acknowledge these facts about the 21st century. The original argument becomes muddied when one realizes that we must account for both short term and long term impact, both direct and indirect impact, and short term national interests may sometimes have to give way to long term international ones.

This may be too convoluted an argument to use effectively during a political campaign. I understand that from the perspective of a campaign manager it would be prudent to stick with a more nationalist rhetoric, but awareness of the internationalist relationship we all share should not be discarded so easily. Sorry Tony, no hard feeling I'm sure...

It's too bad no one on LRC (or on Washington Week in review) knew that the McCain campaign had issued an attack ad putting Obama's face on the nation's currency and suggesting that was a bad idea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPARec32KMI

This put Tony's complaints in a very different light, and makes the McCain campaign into total hypocrites.
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Matt,

It's interesting how you have been playing down the depth of this economic mess for the past year and a half. It's not necessarily wrong, but very consistent. It'll be interesting to see if you'll ever change your mind on that. Yet again, I should commend your forward-looking attitude.
Which side of the center is the LRC's mediators? Friday's show, yet again, made me ask myself: are the mediators really centrists? For the past several months I have noticed tendency to deviate towards right and left on various issues. I wonder which ones you think they were on the right and which they were on the left. We can start with Matt and his economic and foreign policy views.

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