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How on earth did you guys manage NOT to discuss the forgery of the letter linking Atta
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Once again, I'm yelling a couple of things at the speakers.

Mr. Scheer, you seem to have backed off a bit on the subprime "disaster," in that you're no longer talking about people losing their "life savings"; yet you still talk about "millions" losing their most important asset. Were you not listening when people (right here, last week) pointed out that a very large percentage of people losing their homes never had any real equity in the first place? Nor do you mention the "young people" who, as a result of the bursting of this bubble, will be able to buy that first home they were formerly unable to buy because of absurdly inflated prices. There are two sides to the coin, and it's unbecoming to an intellectual to talk about only one side with such blind passion.

Secondly, Arianna et al.: the media are not ALLOWING McCain to infantilize the contest between himself and Obama -- they are HELPING him do it. It's not impossible to imagine that higher-ups in the media food chain are even calling his campaign on the phone and giving them advice on how to play dirty, keep off the issues, shape Obama's character to his advantage. The corporate media WANT McCAIN TO WIN!! He's their tax breaks! He's their deregulation!

Which leads to why Obama is having to "trim his sails." Reagan not only didn't operate in a time when the media were so corporate -- to the extent that the media were corporate they were on his side, loved every word out of his mouth. So, of course he didn't have to trim his sails. Duh. Obama has talked about things that are totally inimical to the corporate fat-cats who run this country, so you're damn right he'd better not get too far out there on a limb.

Fer Chrissakes, people, let the man get elected! Stop telling him to put his head in a noose!

This week another program with discussion of the election campaign and the tightening polls from the same hyper reactive perspective that AH likes to attribute to the rest of the "media". No mention still of what appears to be a sustained Obama advantage by electoral count. No comparisons to previous election polls at this phase of the campaign and what that might portend. And no speculation whatsoever regarding the existence of an overarching Obama strategy that may not be as reliant on spinning issues and playing to the polls as everyone assumes. Is it possible that the Obama campaign understands that with 3 months to go there's no need or real benefit to stretching the lead yet? They have talent, money, organizational muscle and a lot of discipline. Maybe they actually know what they're doing. Watch and learn.
Once again Tony Blankley is completely misinformed on energy resources. I have an advanced degree in environmental science and I can tell you that his statement that "we have to depend on fossil fuels for the next 40 or 50 years" is total nonsense! Here is just one example. There was a recent study that showed an area in the Southwest Desert ( I believe in Nevada or Arizona) that is 93 miles square could provide, through solar thermal energy plants, the entire country with electricity. This is with existing technology. No new discoveries or technology needed just the tax incentives that Tony's republican friends in the senate have been blocking! He also says that "he is for any energy source that is not subsidized" that would help with the energy problem. What he conveniently left out is that the fossil fuels have been subsidized for over 100 years and continue to be even with energy companies making record profits! The last energy bill had 17 BILLION dollars in it for fossils fuels and republicans have fought the removal of this corporate welfare at every turn. It is the same propaganda with tire gauges this week and McCain making fun of Obama's suggestion that we use conservation as a means of saving energy! Why do conservatives like Tony hate the idea of conservation so much? You would think that they of all people would support conservation. It probably doesn't have to do with the fact that so many of them have taken millions of dollars in pact money from oil, coal, and gas companies! Ted Stevens is the poster child for this kind of bad behavior! The only reason I can come up with is pure selfishness! If anyones else has an explanation I would like to hear it!
Thanks Rick, that's a great post. Very informative and I'm on board with you re: solar and solar thermal technologies that already exist. True, too, that the subsidies to oil conveniently get left out of these discussions. We could have sustainable agriculture, too, if the subsidies to corporate ag were leveled and distributed more reasonably. Thank you for writing.
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A bit off topic...I am not sure where I would post this comment elsewhere...

I am a bit confused why LRC remains a 1/2 hour show.

If cars, trains, plains, ships, farm equipment, and most everything else immediately converted to electricity using those 300 million dollar batteries McCain's pandering about, then your solar plan may be viable. But they don't and they probably won't for another 20 years. Of course environmentalists will have something to say about destroying 93 square miles of desert ecosystem...yes, things live in the desert too. So, add another 10 years for eco-obstructionism. A dash of government bureaucracy is good for another 10 years (think of all of the productive things congress has agreed to in the past few years). So, my friend, expect to do a slow conversion over at least 50 years.
Dr Osten: It's a half hour show because a) that's all the airtime we have available on KCRW and b) that's all the time the panelists have to give us each week. I wish it were otherwise! But thanks for writing.
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the recent discussion comparing our situation now to the great depression. I do agree that we probably don't have it as bad in one factor, but do in another way. In the time of the great depression, we also had a culture that didn't stigmatize poverty quite as extremely as it does today. Many child welfare laws for example expect standards of care that many parents can't afford. Squatting and hitchhiking is more harshly dealt with, as are vagrants. Transportation is also a bigger issue in this day and age, in which employment centers are more centralized, and midwestern urban structures are engineered with the assumption that residents can provide their own transportation. I've seen a couple cities that don't even build sidewalks anymore, outside of downtown. Cheap housing simply isn't available in many areas, and camping or building shacks or cabins in urban areas isn't often allowed. Another reason things look better than in the great depression is merely that there are a lot more capital assets sitting around, even though it's all owed to someone else and not really owned. Credit and Debt was not nearly as all-encompassing in the Depression era. It was also possible to make a decent living wage with only a high school education, when employment was found.

One other factor that seems to be greatly overlooked is this: People point to the "relatively low unemployment numbers" as a sign that we're not doing so badly. What they don't mention is that the metrics used to determine the unemployment rate are extremely misleading, and omit a large portion who should be included. Unemployment numbers list ONLY workers who are elegible for unemployment insurance, which has many disqualifiers. You are only counted as unemployed for one year, because unimployment insurance runs out after that. If you work in a specialized industry, it can often take several years to get another equivalent job. One of my relatives took 3 years of intensive effort and had to get a 5th master's degree, to end up with a lower-paying job. Also, there are large numbers of people taking enormous pay cuts, trying to make ends meet in the meantime until they find another job in their field. These people are also not counted as unemployed. Then there are many who have been released through attrition programs, fired by manipulation of company standards by lawyers rather than any real wrongdoing or shortcoming by the worker. I worked at a call center where they fired the entire workforce of over 1000 within one year in order to move the center overseas without paying extra unimployment insurance fees or severance packages, and to yank away benefits like many very lucrative stock options that were about to mature. None of those people were counted as unemployed, because they were fired, even though they were fired for bogus reasons. I also have reason to believe this is common practice in today's corporate environment. I have also been subject to a few other engineered turnover schemes, as well as blatant and illegal labor practices in my own quest to survive. Also, workers who have simply given up the job search and have become dependent on other family or friends are not counted as unemployed.

So again, my points are these: From whom much is (assumed to be) given, much is expected, and the metrics we are working with in establishing how we're doing are not to be trusted. If you count the actual number of people without jobs, or who are severely underemployed, I am positive that you will reach a radically larger number than the 5.7 percent we are rated.

I say humbug to the idea that cheap consumer goods have greatly benefitted our economy, for two reasons. One, the cheap goods are also much less durable, meaning they must more frequently be replaced. They have also eliminated availability of other, better (more useful, more attractive and more durable) goods in many places. Disposable culture is encouraged, and craftsmanship has been all but forgotten. Two, the biggest purveyor of said goods has also been, in my opinion, one of the largest culprits in driving down incomes nationwide, thus resulting in said "cheap" goods taking a larger percentage of the average income. They don't just put their competitors out of business, they also strangle their own suppliers.

By the way, I love this show and listen to the podcast regularly.

Thanks

Cars and Mass Transit can run on electricity! The same as the EV1 did that was killed by General Motors and the Oil companies because they didn't want any competition! I am not just suggesting solar but an entire array of alternative energy including wind, cellulosic ethanol, hydrogen, etc. etc. Solar energy companies (Abengoa Solar Corporatin) are ready to site solar power plants in the desert or waste farmland areas in a environmentally sensitive way. The 93 sq. miles would not be in one location but broken up in various sites. This could be started immediately if congress would continue tax credits that are due to expire by the end of the year. It is absurd to suggest that somehow environmental groups are preventing this from happening. There has been seven or eight votes on this in the senate and republicans lead by Mitch McConnell continue to keep this from coming to a vote! RightGuy still hasn't answered the question: "Why do conservatives hate the idea of common sense means of conservation so much"? Why do they make fun of tuning up your car, keeping your tires inflated properly, driving 55 MPH, etc.??? Why do they take millions from oil companies, like Ted Stevens, and they do their bidding in the congress? Tony Blankley just spouts off the same old partly line with no research or understanding of the issues and it is pathetic.
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Please, please, someone show Matt how to use a tire gauge and then he might learn how it's pronounced. Secondly, I have a beef with the KCRW promo that runs on the podcast. Matt says that Left, Right and Center is the ONLY public radio weekly political roundup show. Not even close: Diane Rehm has a two hour weekly summary on national and international and Tom Ashbrook's On Point out of WBUR in Boston has a very good Weekly review of the news and politics every Friday. There are numerous other excellent weekly reviews from other radio outlets as podcasts, that, taken together, provide a very good summary of the week.

Finally, regarding energy. The airlines are making the same mistake made by the railroads in the fifties except the roles are reversed. They need to realize they are in the people moving business, not the airline business. If they had any sense they would be lobbying for government to build the infrastructure for high-speed rail so they could run their own trains on short haul feeders to their long-haul flights - the only ones that make business. The railroads in the fifties did not partner with the airlines (although the government's anti-trust stance was really complicit in this failure) to provide seamless competitive transportation leading to their eventual decline.

A final thought on peak oil: The Saudi Oil Minister was quoted a couple of years ago regarding supplies of oil. He said, " My grandfather rode a camel, my father drove a car, I fly and airplane, my grandson will ride a camel." He should know.
I disagree that the media is more corporate today than during the Reagan years. The fact is that the media has become very splintered with almost too many options all the way from podcasts that can take local stations national, to blogs presenting a whole range of ideas, to cable punditry. Until Brian Lamb started C-Span there were only 3 sources of news, all corporate controlled, ABC, NBC, and CBS, and their control was rigid. There a good summary of the way the media operated and Brian Lamb's distaste for it in a new biography of Lamb entitled, I think, Founding Father.
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In Matt's pitch for KCRW fund raising he said LRC is the only weekly news review on Public Radio. What about Diane Rehm on WAMU who has a 2 hour News Roundup every Friday. 1st hour domestic news, 2nd hour international. Tomy B. is often a guest on the News Roundup. It is also podcast. Your pitch should be accurate!
You're correct that there were fewer networks in Reagan's day, but there were more newspapers and they tended to be locally-owned. McCain doesn't have to win every vote, remember. If all voters balanced out their network/Fox/Clearchannel view of the world with a cruise through the blogosphere, there would be a kind of balance, but while the blogosphere seems huge to those of us who partake, a HUGE majority of the folks who vote aren't even sure what it is, and get their news from sources that want the tax breaks, the deregulation, the government handouts disguised as laissez-faire market capitalism.
Conspiracy theories aside, it not so much a matter of developing alternative energy sources such as solar, etc, it is also the transition of the massive oil-based infrastructure that will take decades. It’s one thing to develop a prototype electric car that cost double of what it was sold for, it’s another transitioning every car, boat, train, and plane to alternative energy. The transition from the oil-based infrastructure goes well beyond transportation, literally every thing we touch has been touched by oil and it will take time to wash the oil from our hands. So we will need to live with oil until we have evolved into using alternative energy.

To categorize conservatives in a single group that hates conservation is a biased opinion of conservatives you criticize. It’s like believing progressive liberals would rather let humanity starve than to develop existing energy reserves. The fact is the majority of people do want to conserve, but they also want to retain their lifestyle. And, I’m not speaking about their need to drive giant SUVs, I mean bringing the food to our tables, heating our homes in winter, and keeping our jobs. We must use everything that will maintain our lifestyle during the transition to alternative energy, because, getting back to my original point, it will take decades to transition our nation’s infrastructure to accommodate alternative energy options.

McCain agreed that keeping tires properly inflated was good, but the point of his tire gauge stunt was not to ridicule conservation, it was to state that we require a comprehensive approach that includes all aspects of energy development, including off-shore oil drilling.

If you do your research, you will find that Obama is taking just as much money from oil executives as his republican counterpart, perhaps not directly, but huge funds from the wives of executive and pooled funds from their supporters. What’s worse, taking money according to campaign guidelines or covertly receiving money outside of those guidelines and then criticizing your opponent about being worse than you? The fact is corporations grease the wheels on both sides and both sides gleefully take their money with both hands. That’s why congress stagnates.

Conservative and liberal Americans must broaden their views and consider all energy options. To concentrate only on oil development or on solar is an equally biased approach to an enormous and complex problem.
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Those are all very valid points.

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I don't think I've ever heard any of you mention the "Peak Oil" issue, that oil production seems not only to be destined for an inevitable exhaustion, but also that, as we approach that end, it becomes more expensive and less voluminous -- and that there's strong evidence that we're already in that down-slope.
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Look, I'm a longtime fan of Arianna Huffington but I found it a bit rich for her to complain about the role of the media in trivialising the campaign. Consider that the news organisation that bears her namesake constantly fed into the trivialisation of the primary campaign to the detriment of the Clinton campaign. Was the Huffington Post really suggesting that a two-time president and his wife were racist-- considering their resumé of good works in the African-American community?

Or how about the all the photography on the site-- grandiose photos of Obama's rallies contrasted with photos of Senator Clinton's facial wrinkles-- the worst they could find!-- with New York Post-style headlines about her Lady Macbeth tendencies. I find it hypocritical to suggest that the same person who declined to denounce the sexism that pervaded the media's reportage on the primary because it was politically expedient for the candidate she supported to have any bone to pick with the 'mainstream media' about their coverage of Obama. Convenient, indeed.

Ms. Huffington, you are part of the Mainstream Media.
The whole race thing, which surfaces inevitably in any discussion of this campaign, leads me to make the following comments. Regarding whether the Clintons are "racist or played the race card: I have a lot of respect for Hillary; little for Bill any more after the whole Lewinsky thing and what he said during the primaries which was seventies rhetoric. (The Edwards revelations saddened me profoundly; not for what he did, but that he hid something while he was running that would have blown the race apart had he won the nomination.)

I suggest that all of us who consider Barack "black", whatever that means are in fact, racist to some degree. After all, he has a white mother so he's just as much white as black. We chose to label him "black" as opposed to "white". That's the problem with discussions of race in the United States. No nuance whatsoever.

There's a great scene in "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" (1967!!!) where Sidney Poitier is trying to explain his view of the world to his father, a proud black man who argues that the time is just not right for interracial marriage. Both The fathers, white and black are against the marriage. Poitier says - and I must paraphrase - that his father represents the old generation, one that feels it must hang on to the world as it was because that's the world that validates them. I see the same attitudes from Jesse Jackson, (not his son, notice) and the Clintons who look at the world the way it was 40 years ago. Of course they are not racist in the classic sense, but they look at race very much the way we did four decades ago. That's the problem. There is a power shift away from the old guard both black and white and it's resented terribly.

We have 7 children, six adopted and multi-racial. I also teach a class in the history of diversity and racism and I must say that attitudes toward race and especially interracial marriage have changed among the young very drastically in the past 20 years. Whether this world view will be reflected in the election this fall remains to be seen.

As far as peak oil, Jack, see my paraphrased quote from the Saudi Oil Minister in a post above. The fact is that the Saudis have admitted their wells are on the downward slope and have been injecting massive amounts of water to increase the pressure. That's why Cheney et al were so anxious to gain control over the Iraqi oil fields. (See recent documents obtained by Judicial Watch in FOIA suits from the Cheney Energy Task Force of March 2001) Rightguy's comments are well put and to the point. It's ironic that the candidates have been forced into silliness over tire gauges etc., when in reality (and I think someone on LRC pointed this out) that both candidates believe a broad approach using all sorts of initiatives are essential.
I posted the following on the other 8/8 page, but realized (as is often the case) I was just talking to myself. Reposting here. (Sarah--is there a way to know which is the official page?)

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Well, you went to air too early for the biggest—and most troubling—news of the summer: the conflict between Russia and Georgia. Russia's incursion was not entirely unprovoked, or course, but its disproportionate nature reflects the reality that there is little we can throw at them besides rhetoric. My guess is that Russia cannot stomach a protracted conflict or a permanent disruption in its Western relations, and so will leave Saakashvili weakened but in power, with "enhanced autonomy" returned to South Ossetia. The Bear's roar will have been heard clearly. All that will be left is for Putin to declare "mission accomplished" (although our oblivious president will miss the irony).

(By the way, the current events have put the lie to the suggestion that there was a transition of power in Russia. Dmitri who?)

I always chuckle when Bob and Arianna decry politics for being so . . . political. Politics is not the art of the possible. It's the art of triangulation. If you were really expecting salvation from politics as usual, take off your rosary-colored glasses and realize that Obama is not the messiah. Politicians win; messiahs get crucified. I would rather Obama win the election than a crown of thorns.

Energy: Right now, O and McC are sputtering about gas prices. That's small petro-tatoes compared with what's coming. Heating oil prices are going to put the Northeast economy into the deep freeze, while soaring shipping costs are going to add fuel surcharges to every head of lettuce, pair of socks and Christmas tree ornament. Debilitating inflation is around the corner. And, once again, it's the economy, stupid.

The lesson for the candidates here isn't to ignore health-care and Iraq, but rather to frame those discussions in economic terms.

Speaking of which, I just learned that Olympic gold medals are made of silver covered with six grams of gold. The last solid-gold medals were awarded in 1912
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Huffington referred to McCain's tire gauge stunt as a trivialization of the election process.

She's wrong. McCain's snorts at grass root efforts to reduce oil consumption were an insult to middle class America. When gas prices went through the roof, regular Janes and Joes felt their hearts break as they told their kids the trip to Disney was cancelled, knocked on their neighbor's door with a plate of cookies and an idea about starting a carpool, and--yes--checked their tire inflation in order to bilk a couple more miles out of a gallon.

John Q. Public knew that no one in Washington was going to do anything about the four-dollar gallon of gas, so he did something himself. He reduced his monthly commute by some eight billion miles. And look what happened.

The price of a barrel went down almost immediately, so did the price at the pump.

The little guy did that by being smart and making sacrifices. These are women who make a pretty good meatloaf and men who wear a shirt with a name patch to work. We don't have Cindy McCain's money. We have to worry about every single nickel.

What's next, McCain's going to make fun of me for clipping coupons?

My two-cents about the 8-8-08 show.

Arriana gnashes her teeth about McCain’s campaign capitalizing on Obama’s tire gauge statement because it was made during a townhall meeting. Conversely, she had no problem regurgitating Obama campaign bilge about McCain’s statement of remaining in Iraq for 100 years...which McCain made at a townhall meeting and which democrats conveniently leave off McCain’s very next sentence, “If no American soldier’s lives are endangered.”

Furthermore, pointing out Obama’s celebrity persona is not a trivialization of the campaign, it exemplifies Obama’s campaign structure of Obama standing before American flags reciting soaring messages from teleprompters to shill audiences. McCain challenged Obama to go to Iraq to assess the current state of affairs. Instead of quietly checking on the middle east hot spots, Obama turned his trip into a week long campaign circus with photo-ops, hand shaking, basketball dunking, speeches to German throngs, and flitting about in his BarackObama.com campaign plane. A radio pundit eloquently stated that Obama’s best affirmation of the surge’s success was his ability to safely land his plane in Bagdad airport without a terrorist taking a pot-shot at the “O” in BarackObama.com. McCain’s Paris Hilton dig hit a nerve because that is how Obama has chosen present himself.

Come on Matt, you’re comparing the tire gauge parody to the Swift Boat campaign converting the “war hero,” John Kerry, to someone soft on defense? Kerry’s Senate voting record is sufficient documentation of his defense strengths and weaknesses. Most Swift Boaters were Vietnam veterans who were incensed by Kerry’s accusations about Vietnam war atrocities presented during the Fullbright hearing. Most Swift Boat Veterans gave testimony against Kerry’s accusations. A few, who directly served with Kerry challenged claims that he was a “war hero,” including one of the physicians who documented Kerry’s initial Purple Heart wound. Kerry broke his promise to release his wartime medical records that specifically described these wounds. Kerry eventually had his personal physician release a summary, which suggested a scratch and two bruises. Kerry has yet to refute the Swift Boaters claims that he used trivial wounds to gain three purple hearts so he would be transfered out of combat. Kerry substantiated the worthlessness of his three Purple Hearts when he flung them over the White House fence. Contrast Kerry’s Vietnam war behavior with McCain’s refusal to be sent home early from a POW camp so he would not abandon his fellow soldiers, so you clearly understand the definition of a war hero.

Matt seems entranced by Obama’s universal healthcare. If you want examples of government subsidized and supervised healthcare systems, you don’t have to go to Canada, just look at the mess that is Medicare and Medical. Both are going broke, both ration healthcare, both terrorize healthcare providers, and both suck enormous amounts of money into a gigantic bureaucracy instead of delivering it to the recipients. Take a large breath Matt, and think of any governmental program that doesn’t use more money to do less in a more complicated way than any comparable private program. In California, Medical just cut physician reimbursements by another 10%, which puts the overhead costs of treating Medical patients much higher than the reimbursement...even when Medical does occasionally decides to pay. Many doctors willing to put up with the pains of dealing with Medical now must close their doors to Medical patients or face going out of business. Hillary learned how hard it is to trash the entire healthcare system to rebuild another. The government may best serve healthcare by doing what they supposed to do, regulate the current free market system to provide equanimity. By making a few changes in our current healthcare, which provides great coverage to the majority of the people, it will be possible to provide the same for all Americans. These changes are closer to what McCain and Hillary propose in their healthcare reform recommendations.

It must be the end of days, cats are lying down with dogs, and the sky is falling...for the last three episodes Robert has been making cogent and sensible statements. But, just when I begin to believe Bob developed a right-sided squint that has leveled his view of the world, he makes a statement about the acquittal of Hamdan was a travesty...it’s a glass half empty statement. HAMDAN WAS UBLs DRIVER AND HAD PORTABLE SAMs IN HIS TRUNK! You don’t get to be UBLs driver if you’re not also a trusted believer. You don’t carry portable SAMs in your trunk if you’re hunting ducks, you’re going to shoot down American pilots. It’s like saying that the Secret Service doesn’t sufficiently believe in the president to die for him and would not kill for him. Five-and-a-half years is a relatively gentle sentence for God’s sake. If we (the U.S.) were as horrible as you imagine, then Hamdan would have received Al-Queda’s justice and his head would have been rolling along the floor sans his body a long, long time ago.

Bob, the Republicans didn’t deregulate the banks, the democrats did, and there were plenty of them in congress cheering on the finance industry along side the republicans. McCain wasn’t “up to his eyeballs” in the S&L scandal. Of the Keating Five, McCain & Glenn were acquitted by the Senate Ethics committee, the other three were, how do you say it? Democrats. Some Democrats have ventured to say that the only reason McCain was included in the investigation was because it looked so bad to exclusively have Democrats involved in the mess. If you want to comment on the foibles of candidates and banks, why don’t you comment on Obama’s sweet home loan, that when calculated out for the life of the loan, approaches a $1 million dollar kickback. I guess it’s an okay to do because the Chairman of the United States Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs did the same thing with Citibank. Isn’t Chris Dodd a Democrat too? Strictly speaking these maneuvers may be legal, but are they ethical?

Ah, what can I say about Tony waxing poetic about the virtues of Endive in the electoral process. Alas, Dukakis’ Endive analogy fell short of Tony, like most Americans, except Greek-Americans. Boiled Endive is a peasant dish in Greece, it’s not the effete fair of gourmets. Perhaps you should’ve consulted with Arriana, before making such a claim. Bon Appetite!

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