KCRWs Left Right & Center 12/12/08 Show

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"Nixon knew nothing about Watergate until he started covering it up" ? Did I hear Tony correctly? Even if one is unaware that Nixon taped conversations in the Oval Office, the mere grammar of this sentence is mystifying.
Hey I agreed with Tony! Either the end of the world is coming or it's the dawning of the Age of Aquarius. Anyway -- Tony is right on when he says that it makes no sense to call electric vehicles "zero emission" when we generate so much juice from coal. I have always been baffled that that the source of electricity never comes up when we talk about electric cars and their "clean" image. If you want zero emissions, pedal!
Tony's revisionist history continued with his claim that "All of the charges against Newt were false".

Ah, Newt Gingrich was cited by the House ethics committee for violating House rules eight times. No other Congressman in history has been cited more than twice.

Hands down the most corrupt Speaker in American history.

Tony said, "electrical cars and hybrid cars are in fact coal cars."

NO, Tony, the vast majority of hybrid cars do not burn coal, because they are never plugged into the grid. Their batteries are recharged by their gasoline engine. You know this, because you did go on to say "when you plug them in..." but by this point the damage had been done, you had created confusion and reinforced polarization among those unfamiliar with hybrid technology, and absolutely by intent.

And you topped it off by introducing the comment as part of your "effort to help people think clearly on environmental issues." Have you no shame?

Intellectual dishonesty does you, Conservatism, the Republican Party, and our country a terrible disservice.

Blagojevich certainly did in his blunt blue collar Chicago way what is common in politics, particularly in the money driven political system we have. Pay to play is a way of life and certainly was under the DeLay regime in Congress. Blagojevich was perhaps more concerned with feathering his own nest, with money or a job for himself, than in building a political machine to hold power. But we have political capitalism, where politicians spent much of their time "fundraising" from people who expect something in return other than appreciation. Ambassadorships in European countries generally go to big contributors.

In any case Blankley is certainly laying the groundwork for Republicans to do what they did so effectively against Clinton with the "Whitewater" and then the various sex scandals, that is use these for both diverting Administration attention and energy and campaigning to take over. There seems to be even less here than with Whitewater, as Obama pretty clearly kept Blagojevich at arms length the more trouble Blagojevich got into. But even arms length may not be enough in the news entertainment cycle, and with the Republicans ready to start sniping.

Why would unions possibly agree to accept the same wages and benefits that nonunion employers give their workers? Isn't that just admitting that unions have no reason to exist and that employers should be able to do whatever they can get away with? That is certainly the view of many Republicans. Why is a decent wage, health care and retirement for people who aren't CEOs, hedge fund managers, mortgage industry insiders or entertainers a good thing? And if they had money to spend and were spending it (instead of having to borrow to spend, which only lasts so long?) would we be having all these layoffs?

It is interesting that the finance CEOs were handed huge amounts of money without any humiliation ritual, or even questions, and that they haven't really done the thing the government wanted them to do with it, which is start lending to businesses and individuals so the economy didn't slow down. Seems that they aren't worried much. Conservatives want to draw the line quickly, before benefits trickle down to ordinary people, and we will need to draw it somewhere, but somehow we treat finance like God, perhaps because they made up all of these derivatives and things that no one can understand.

Perhaps LRC can spent a program on the price of oil and the role of speculators, futures buyers, and the "pipeline" nature of this commodity so that the supply today has nothing to do with the supply tomorrow. Would people buy big cars today because the price of gas is down at the moment. How do we get people to be motivated by the fact that oil is going to run out and before it does, get difficult and expensive to find? And why shouldn't the oil companies use their enormous profits to prop up the auto industry that they need so much? Or is it crucial to keep the oil industry from influencing the type of cars that are developed?

An underlying issue is can we have a sustainable economy without and imperial military providing Keynesian spending, without cooked books that make earnings and prosperity look more substantial than they are, without Ponzi scheme fraud like this Madoff guy seems to have perpetrated, at the expense of the charities that we need to do what government hasn't been doing under the compassionate conservatives, and without borrowing from the future and depleting the past, like we are doing in so many ways.

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Why does Bob Scheer say "Tie-ota" instead of "Toyota"? Is this a put-down?
Hybrid cars are an interesting technology, but they are not the only technology for reducing energy consumption. Tony's point is that even Hybrid technology relies on carbon-based energy consumption. We have yet to make that leap from burning carbon to produce energy, which is no different from the first caveman (or woman) who lit a fire.

Currently, hybrid cars are a technology that makes people feel less guilty about their contribution to carbon consumption because they refuse to submit to changing their lifestyle. The best evidence is the little screen in every Prius that tells you when the car is using electricity vs. gasoline. The screen doesn't help you control the car, it merely relieves your guilt as you sit in traffic. There are new generation diesel vehicles that get better mileage than hybrids, but they don't have that little screen to make you feel better, so they don't get to wear those bumper stickers about saving the planet. Who gets better mileage, one person commuting in a Prius getting 45 mpg or 8 people commuting in a Suburban getting 12 mpg, but 96 mpg per person. Substantially less total carbon consumption occurs by buying an medium-mileage used car than to purchase a new hybrid.

The fact is, there must be a transition of lifestyle over time. Moving a single person per vehicle will never be as efficient as moving multiple people per vehicle, which will never be as efficient as pedaling or walking a shorter distance to work.

Getting back to the automobile industry. They've been trying to cram an anachronistic and inefficient mechanism of travel down our throats for decades. The management is just as guilty as the UAW, because neither would like to see the status quo change. To steal a phrase, "It's time for a change."

I’m unaware of any plug-in hybrids on the market. Mr. Blankley got it wrong about hybrids, and sounded awfully smug while making the inaccurate assertion.

Mr. Blankley –what satisfaction do you receive by scoffing at those who are interested enough in energy conservation that they buy CFL bulbs, insulate their homes, turn down the thermostat and even purchase a hybrid vehicle? We’d all be in a better place today if people had heeded rather than ridiculed President Carter’s recommendations, made decades ago.

Mr. Blankley is a dinosaur and will suffer the same fate unless others take steps, however small, that help change the direction humans are propelling this planet.

There is an aftermarket conversion for Hybrid cars that combines plug-in charging and the original hybrid technology. They claim 100 MPG in a converted Prius, but as Tony alludes, they don't include the carbon consumption from the generation of electricity. Electricity generation is much more efficient than an automobile gasoline engine, hybrid or not.

It's not a matter of ridiculing people interested in energy conservation, it's pointing out the futility of pursuing the sensational paths to being energy neutral. Al Gore is a good example. His "Inconvenient Truth" spent more time promoting his activities and his loss of his presidential bid than it did on solutions to the energy crisis. The original and solution of the world's energy crisis was only mentioned in passing and not clearly given as a solution to the problem. The answer is not buying hybrid cars or CFL lights, it is population control.

Each new person born into this world will contribute a certain fraction to energy consumption and pollution. Population control is the answer. The world cannot sustain the exponential growth in population. Promoting zero population growth with education and birth control is something that can be done now and can be done very easily. It is something we have the means to do; instead of spending billions on fusion research, why don't we hire a public health czar who will promote population control. Of course, these notions will not put millions of dollars into Al Gore's carbon credit companies, they're not as exciting as a CFL light bulb or as zippy as a new hybrid, but population control is the only answer in the end. It will come if we manage and promote as a solution or it will become a solution in itself if we ignore it and allow natural selection to run its course...no matter how many gagets we conceive in the interim.
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Thank you!


I made the same point back in 2003, when I emailed LRC after David Frum ranted about hybrid cars getting their energy from either coal or nuclear power. I found it alarming that a a 29 year old actress (which I was at the time) knew more about the subject than a professional pundit and former Bush staffer.


I find it far more alarming that Tony (who usually makes a lot more sense than Frum did) STILL doesn't understand this no-longer-new technology. If he was talking specifically about plug-in hybrids (which are only available via aftermarket conversion), he should have said so, and explained that he was either talking about hypothetical cars of the future, or a very small percentage of hybrids currently on the road.


If more people in the media had bothered to educate themselves about this technology years ago, maybe there would have been enough pressure on American carmakers to get in on the hybrid market when and how they needed to, and they could have avoided driving themselves into the ground. Pun intended.


Rightguy raises the population issue which tends not to be popular, particularly because it raises the ire of many religious communities, particularly those who gain politically by changes in demographics, but also just because of the etwinement of religious traditions with issues of sexuality and gender roles. Since both political parties must be able to win the support of substantial numbers of religious communities, it is tricky to get this issue before the government.

Population issues also raise social tensions, as aging populations put strain on societies by having fewer people of working age to support the elderly, both in social security retirement benefits and particularly in health care costs. America is solving that problem in part by bringing in immigrants, but it also abuses them, denies them participation in the safety nets but takes their contributions, as we do with undocumented immigrants, mostly Latinos. Immigration also raises the kind of cultural anxieties that were being debated during the years before the election, (i.e. the English language and culture under attack by the spread of Spanish) but the issue disappeared in the campaign as voters of Hispanic descent were considered more important swing voters than anti-immigrant voters. The tensions have not gone away however.

It seems a given that there is some limit to the number of people the planet will support. Some conservatives have assumed that technology can solve this problem, and this is an attractive view to people with a "no boundaries" mentality, as well as those who do not like the regulatory implications of a "spaceship earth.". However it is arguable that we do not support the people we have now, what with all the starvation and water borne diseases that kill so many. In addition, changes in the environment that are coming about due to climate change are likely to reduce the capacity of the planet to support as many people as it does.

In any case it has been more the leftguys than the rightguys who have historically talked about population issues, although these rules could easily change.

America is solving that problem in part by bringing in immigrants, but it also abuses them, denies them participation in the safety nets but takes their contributions, as we do with undocumented immigrants, mostly Latinos.

I don't know about where you live but in NC, "undocumented immigrants" (illegals for those who don't understand PCspeak) get free health care, education (which includes a free spanish-english interpreter for non-english speaking parents when they visit the school) and food stamps. Hardly "abuse" if you ask me, I bet if I were illegally in Mexico I wouldn't get the same treatment.

Don't forget that they don't have to follow the laws against forgery and fraud too (I have to provide proof of citizenship with a valid Passport or Drivers License to get a job while they can use whatever made up forgery they want). I once worked with a guy who's 'documentation' put him down as Vernor Schmidt who spoke only Spanish.

Again, I have to agree with Mr. X, here in California, illegal immigrants share many of the social safety nets as the general public, including scholarship grants.

Immigrants, legal or otherwise, from third-world, agrarian communities often continue their social practices of having large families (just as my family did a generation ago). While large families prove beneficial on a third-world farm by providing extra hands, it doesn't work well in a centralized city environment where it merely increases the family's overhead and increases the struggle of these immigrants to bust out of poverty.

Regarding energy use, global warming, and world-wide famine, population control is a low-cost technology that we currently possess and should utilize. So, I'm still waiting for Uncle Al Gore to use some of his carbon bucks to set up family planning clinics across the world. Hmmm.
Was anyone as disgusted as I was about the shoe throwing incident? I'm a self-described Bush hater, but I think it's ridiculous how the media is drinking the Arab Kool-ade. Why is the media so reactionary?

Yes, Bush has a lot to answer for. Almost everything he did as president was either a mistake, a blatant lie, ideological and perhaps even criminal.

But the idea that he killed all these Iraquis is just bad journalism and bad history. MOST of the civilian (and probably military) murders, rapes, etc. were commited by Muslims against Muslims. How can they blame BUSH for their own crimes? And their own tolerance of religious violence?

As wrong as Bush was to invade, all the looters I saw were Muslims. All the people forced out of their homes were forced out by fellow Muslims.

Let's get real.
Bush does have blood on his hands. Has exactly 4208 deaths to answer for as of last count. He sent our troops to war based on a lie and a personal political agenda. He has torture on his hands and unlawful detentions and a general disregard for the Constitution to answer for as well.

but until Arabs face up to the fact they committed most of the war crimes in the Iraq War and stop blaming Bush, the situation will never change or improve.

They should open a Payless in Bagdad so there are enough shoes to throw at each other. Maybe if they threw shoes at each other they would have less time for raping and murdering their neighbors. Maybe they'd have less time for religious persecution against anyone not in their own sects or neighborhoods or mosques or whatever.

Yes, most Muslims are decent people but that doesn't detract from the fact that Muslim on Muslim, Arab on Arab violence, and intolerance, is the root of most of the Middle East's problems.
There's a reason there are no Arabs in MLB or American Football. That shoe guy took is best shot and he couldn't hit a 60 year old man.

Bush's cats like reflexes far outshined that weak-armed barbarian. Either that or he's blind. He's supposed to be a journalist.

But he's blind to all of the heinous acts commited by Arabs against other Arabs.
Welcome back Barry. You've been absent for a while. Yes, I did notice!
Sarah
Thanks for noticing. I was searching the World Wide Wilderness, but i couldn't find a better blog slash radio show than this one. It's nice to be back.

Was anyone as disgusted as I was about the shoe throwing incident? I'm a self-described Bush hater, but I think it's ridiculous how the media is drinking the Arab Kool-ade. Why is the media so reactionary?

I was disgusted. The media reports that many in the arab world hail this guy as some hero but I bet he wouldn't dare have tried that stunt on Saddam Hussain knowing that he would have had his feet cut off then been forced to watch his family tortured and killed.

I sometimes wonder if the next time some third world hell hole starts becoming a threat we should just bomb them to the stone age and forget them. Rinse and repeat as needed.


I'm actually more irritated at the Western Media than the Arabs. Let's face it, there a lot of good Muslims in the world but very few of them are Arabs. Arabs use Israel as an excuse for all the turbulence and violence in that region, but how does that explain all of the Arabs killing, raping and maiming each other in the name of religion.

Did you know that people in Iraq have been assassinated for wearing shorts to go play Tennis. And they were MEN. Just think of what women have to endure.

But my problem with the Media is they don't report substance, they only report imagery. They totally ignored the MESSAGe of the MESSENGER, when he threw the second shoe.

The media instead attached their own message, which is more palatable to Americans, which is "see the Arabs don't even appreciate what you did, Bush, so quit trying to pretend you're some sort of liberator who is truly loved in the Iraqui hearts"...they Arabs will never appreciate Bush and neither will Americans, because he's a total fraud and failure.

But that wasn't the MESSAGE of the MESSENGER. His message was blaming Bush for the crimes of his own people. That's just as fraudulent as anything Bush's propoganda machine has tried to push.

Until the media stops hiding behind political correctness and so-called "objectivity" and start reporting the ugly truth about that part of the world, there will never be peace there.

A woman's rights activist was beheaded in Iraq today. Iraq is in the forefront of zero emissions as they won't let 50 percent of their population (women) dRIVE! Maybe somebody could organize a campaign to send Arab women bicycles!

Can't wait until the java Flash game comes out online of that beheading. The one throwing things at Bush was SO funny.

Well, somebody get a shoe. Thanks to Bush another woman was persecuted in Iraq. Not by men like that journalist, but by Bush himself! It's Bush's fault that Iraquis are beheading each other.
You're always quick with your judgments. Women have been persecuted in the Muslim world well before George W. Bush.

Keeping women subservient and ignorant keeps the children subservient and ignorant. It is a tool to control a population and is common to Muslim, Christian, and secular leaders. Educate and free the women in these societies will ultimately free these societies.
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wall street bonuses - an outrage I AM POSTING THIS COMMENT WHICH CAME IN TO ME VIA PRIVATE MESSAGE -- WITH PERMISSION OF THE POSTER--Sarah

I just read in the NY Times that Credit Suisse is bundling many of the troubled assets on their books into a fund and giving shares to executives as part of their year-end bonuses. I am outraged that any bank that took TARP money should be allowed to give any bonuses - troubled assets, cash, a company pen, whatever! They say it's to "keep them coming to work". That's all well and good, but if all the banks who received government assistance were required by the Treasury to not pay bonuses, these greedy bankers wouldn't have many places to go and would be forced to hunker down like the rest of us and work hard (and preferably honestly) to turn their companies around so they can justifiably receive additional compensation in the future. I know this is an old issue which has been discussed on the show, but after reading this article, I just snapped. Besides writing my Congressmen (I live in Los Angeles), is there any thing I can do to express my anger? Are there any websites or organizations who are spearheading a grassroots effort to stop this unethical behavior? I know Merrill's former CEO got his bonus nixed. How can we do this on an industry/TARP-wide level until our economy gets back on solid footing and the taxpayers get their money back???

Really enjoy the show...listen every week religiously. Thanks.

I just read in the NY Times that Credit Suisse is bundling many of the troubled assets on their books into a fund and giving shares to executives as part of their year-end bonuses.

This is great! They are getting paid with "troubled assets" rather than cash. The "troubled assets" which they had a hand in getting their company stuck with, now is getting dumped on them, I think it's hilarious.

Makes me think of how we used to complain about the school food when I was a kid. I always thought that if the Principal had to eat that food too then the food would suddenly get a lot better.
My point was exonerating Bush. You're confused again.

I understand it's difficult for you magic thinkers to understand that it's possible to despise everything about Bush and not believe he's to blame for every ill in the world.

If we want to blame someone other than the Arabs themselves, let's start with ourselves.

We elected a magical thinker TWICE as president of the U.S. Evangelicals are literally trained in night-school like courses, that Christians should decide WHAT they want first (the vision thing) and worry about how to pay for it later (the Lord will show the way).

In this kind of "the Secret" policy making, there is no accountability...only "fate" and "surprise". For eight years we have failed to think about "what if" something goes wrong...then what do we do? Instead, we just set off on our magical visions and when it fails we throw up our hands. "I guess it wasn't meant to be after all."

Bush is and always has been a magic thinker. All evangelicals are. That's why they are so dangerous.

Being dangerous and evil isn't the same thing. Bush may have had good intentions, but that's no excuse for his crimes.
Actually, I think this terrible. The troubled assets they are getting are being valued at pennies on the dollar so when they recover their value, which they will most likely do according to what I've read, then these people will reap the rewards on the backs of the American taxpayer.

I still say give them nothing as long as their companies receive TARP funding.
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The thought on electric cars us that coal can eventually be replaced by Solar, wind and possibly nuclear. In any case the coal needed to power an electric care is much less than the oil used for combustion engines. make sense?

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